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| How in this day and age can racism still exist in HB? I read in the Daily News today a Guyanese family was threatened and the 19 yr old had been arrested. Is this common again in HB? I thought the 70's & 80's ended. Come on people teach your children to be better then our generation was. People are people no matter the color of the skin. |
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| Before you comment on how we teach our children, learn the facts. Kris is not disliked because of his skin color..he is disliked because he is an arrogant, nasty person who does whatever he wants regardless of our city laws. He also slapped the kid accross the face which started the fight with his next door neighbors. And that is all this is...A FIGHT BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORS! |
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| A fight between (2) neighbors?? Threats of killing ones family & burning down their house is more than a fight. If my neighbor came on my property & made threats to my family they would have been shot.(perfectly legal under FL law) How many other non-white families live in Hamilton?? I realize only one side of the story was printed, I would like to hear the otherside. Do you know of any follow up interview? |
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| IT DID NOT HAPPEN IN HAMILTON BEACH. IT TOOK PLACE IN RAMBLESVILLE. GET IT STRAIGHT!!! |
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| Kris says one thing the other guy says something else. There are 3 sides to every story. One guy's, the other guy's and then there's the truth. |
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| You are right, there are 3 sides to every story. What is the truth? I would like to hear about it. |
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| Here's some truth for you. The news reports whatever the hell it wants to report. It distorts facts and tries to get a rise out of people.
Why would the news decide to report this? The answer is fairly simple. Because it happened in Howard Beach. Had it happened in Ozone Park, Beach Channel, etc. would it have been reported? Hell no.
Did the news report back in May that two to three black girls beat up a pregnant white girl in HB? Nope, they didn't.
Though, I do believe that if two to three white girls beat up a pregnant black girl in HB it would've been all over the place, complete with yet another protest march by the biggest racist of them all... - Al Sharpton |
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| Oh, and since you are in Florida here are the links to the story that was reported ONLY in the Queens Chronicle.
http://www.zwire.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=18450508&BRD=2731&PAG=461&dept_id=574995&rfi=8
http://www.zwire.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=18474870&BRD=2731&PAG=461&dept_id=574995&rfi=8 |
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| That's a little unfair Cheeky, I'm sure the N.Y. Times reported this story, you just didn't read far enough, it was probably on page 68, the first 8 paragraphs dealt with past instances of racism in H.B., quotes from Fat Al etc, the details of what happened were summarized in two lines at the very bottom of the story.
Saw an interview with that clown when he was at some event in Houston a year or so ago, the first sentences out of his mouth were about racism in H.B. |
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| Sorry to hear of the pregnant women being assaulted, it is horrible. As for Sharpton, he is an A$$hole. Now back to the subject...Is Kris & his family the only non-whites in Hamilton? Did Kris just walk up to Michael jr & hit him for no reason? Is it possible the neighbors fear inevitable change? Most Islanders I have met are hard working, family driven people who actually look out for their neighbors. I grew up in HB and racism was wide spread. I am happy to say I did not pass this on to my children, their friends (as many of mine) are from many different cultures. Maybe if we all tried to get along a little more, this world would not be so screwed up. |
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| The media hullabaloo over this fight between neighbors seems to be politically motivated...
There is no place in this society for threatening one's neighbors...
With all the over-development in Queens, neighbors need to comply with the City's building laws, too...
For more info you can visit my blog...
[url="http://davidmquintana.blogspot.com"]Lost in the Ozone...[/url] |
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| DavidQ NYC - thanks for the info. I will add your blog to my list. |
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| RAMBLESVILLE!!!!!! NOT HAMILTON BEACH!!!!! |
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| Read the Forum. They lay it out pretty well. Basic facts are an Indian guy bought a falling down house (that had a violation as structurally unsound before he bought it) he did work without permits, got caught, got Stop work order, violated order, got caught, had noisy party, got in fight (verbal and threats apparently since other guy got locked up for menacing not assault) then claimed it's about his race
A friend of mine in South Ozone Park knows him from where he used to live, same story there as far as construction stuff, said guy was just a lousy neighbor (friend is from Guyana too) |
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| Note to SMA
All racism is wrongheaded and it exists in all communities, not just Howard Beach. Beating up a guy because you THINK he's gonna commit a crime like Fat Nick did is far different from this. Neighbors made complaints to the proper authorities like good citizens are supposed to do and are getting called racists for doing it. |
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| SMA - There are many different sections to Howard Beach. Old Howard, New Howard, Rockwood Park, Lindenwood, Hamilton, Ramblersville. This happened in RAMBLERSVILLE, has nothing to do with Hamilton or Howard Beach.
BUT, to answer your question... YES, there are other non-white people who are living in the whole of Howard Beach and live hear peacefully.
Johnny - the first words out of Fat Al's mouth usually have to do with racism, but I'm not surprised to hear HB was mentioned. Thank god for the mute button. |
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| Where is Ramblersville physically located so I can get it straight?
I met some of the non-white people last year, nice folks. My question was regarding Hamilton Beach....are there any non-white people their? I did'nt see any. Did see "NO NI--ERS ALLOWED" painted at the entrance of the boardwalk going into Hamilton by the train station. |
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Ramblersville is the area between Howard and Hamilton. It runs parallel to the boardwalk.
And, I thought I did answer your question. Yes there are non-white folks who live in Hamilton and all of Howard Beach.
As for the painted sign at the boardwalk, I don't know anything about that. That doesn't mean I disbelieve you, I believe that it was there because there are a bunch of teenage [I can't say what I want to say because it may be blocked] who like to start all sorts of trouble. This is the first I'm hearing about that...
Though, I do have to say you seem to be pointing a lot of fingers toward Hamilton. The train station side of boardwalk, which is where the spray painted sign was, is Howard Beach. The other incidents all happened in New Howard Beach and on Crossbay Boulevard (the Old Howard Beach sign).
The only thing Hamilton is "guilty" of is getting screwed during the new moon/full moon/Nor'Easters because the neighborhood gets flooded.
Just out of curiousity, how long were you in Hamilton that you didn't see any non-white people there?
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Originally posted by SMA429:
Where is Ramblersville physically located so I can get it straight?
I met some of the non-white people last year, nice folks. My question was regarding Hamilton Beach....are there any non-white people their? I did'nt see any. Did see "NO NI--ERS ALLOWED" painted at the entrance of the boardwalk going into Hamilton by the train station.
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| Cheeky - Thanks for the info. I would say I always saw that area as HB & Hamilton. Im not pointing fingers, I can only go by what I read. We were in HB & Hamilton for just one day. We walked all over & I was amazed at the changes. You had mentioned non-whites in the whole of HB, not specifically Hamilton. |
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| Yes there are non whites in Howard Beach and yes there are non whites in all sections of Howard Beach including Ramblersville and Hamilton Beach. This incident has been reported in all the local press, some accurately some not as well as in the dailies. It is more about a guy trying to get out from under building violations by crying you don't like me at his neighbors. Probably figured he'd do the construction then get some engineer to self- certify it as being proper. Unfortunately, the engineer a lot of the Indians in South Queens were using got himself indicted a short while ago. This guy is just using HB's rep as a stepping stone. |
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| “THIS THING OF OURS”
What happened to trust? Assured reliance on the character, ability, strength character, or truth of someone or something. Is that the definition of “Trust”? To contemplate the definition even more, do you think trust evolves in various forms on a daily basis that creates our minds to mistrust? Why is “trust” so important in life? Was trust more solid in the past centuries than it is now? Liberation, which may have to be hidden from family or friends because breaking the social norm, is also breaking someone’s heart.Italian Immigrants came to America in the 19th century to escape poverty. They consisted of mostly unskilled laborers and peasants.In addition, in 1870 and 1900 the production of foods was scarce in Italy. The landlords had control of the land; they charged high rents and paid low wages. Therefore, malnutrition spread throughout Italy.Mass migration to America by the Italian Immigrants began as early as 1872. However, substantial immigration was between the years 1884 and 1920 when approximately 7 million immigrants departed from Southern Italy and landed in New York City.America opened labor jobs for the people who came from Italy to America because of ill fated economic reasons. Italians worked hard building up New York to make it what it is today.
The Italians are noted for their hard work and pride which would not let them accept public aid. Being culturally connected the Italians wholeheartedly wanted to help their own people economically survive in America, as all cultures did and still do. Therefore, they were quick to form clubs and fraternal organizations to give financial and job assistance to their members. In addition, they shared their culture, language and food. In addition, this leads to the creation of the “Sons of Italy”, a non-profit organization which was a conglomerate of various Italian organizations. The “Sons of Italy’s” focus was to raise funds to educate their children. However, this made the Italian people living in America a close nit family.
At this point, Italian Immigrants created life as innate businessmen to help the other Italian immigrants economically survive. Remember, the Italian immigrants who were financially surviving in America understood the poverty stricken world of Italy through their own experiences.
The Italians had to survive in America and take care of their own. They became involved in bootlegging liquor to insure the financial situation for their families and culture. In addition, thy created something called “La Costra Nostra”, “This Thing of Ours.”What was “La Costra Nostra” built on? It was built on trust, brotherly trust to insure the prosperity of friends and family.The Italians in America built what they could to survive, however we see the Italians exploited in talk, the media and by various cultures, as all cultures do. But what happened at 9/11 when the terrorists bombed the Twin Towers. We were all New Yorkers, we were all Americans. Then the melting pot became a solid foundation, do we forget?
Why was “The Trust” between the Italians so solid?
What happened today? “Trust”, an enormous issue in the New Millennium. Lets begin with a Kindergartener telling a friend not to tell a secrete to a business owner having to spend many hours at his business, away from his or her family, because there is no “Trust” in a manager running the business.
Faith, love and marriage? Does he divorce rate escalate every year because of “trust”?
What happened to Sunday dinners with the family you can trust? Where is the chat over homemade coffee with the friends you can trust? What happened to the wine at dinner? What happened to the card playing and chatting to release your inside self to the ones you can trust?
Has psychotherapy boomed because trust has been flushed out of the English language? Do we now have to reveal all our secretes to a stranger with a PhD in psychology and pay them $100.00 an hour because we can not open |
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| On Thurs. a letter in the Forum said this guy in Ramblersville claiming racism is a criminal. Why is it when a criminal has a fight in HB the race card always gets played? Best defense is a good offense maybe? Maybe it is more about the lousy policing we get which is probably why the cops just call it bias so no one looks too close at them for not taking care of this area like they do other areas. The only time we see cops is when there is a race incident, it's the fourth of July, or they're on the Blvd. to eat. |
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| i am sorry to hear about that pregnant woman attacked by several black girls -- but this reverse has been around a long time. I lived in HB all my and in the 80s before the Al Sharpton rally (due to the death of that black fellow) a close family member, a white guy, was shot point blank by a black man in HB, and several other white neighbors had driveway/push-in armed robberies committed against them in HB by blacks. Unfortunately reverse racism doesn't sell newspapers or gather media attention. And hey, I AM not a racist, even dated and have black people as friends -- but lets get the facts straight - the media reports don't mean anything they are caught up in ratings and white against black hate crimes have no history in the media. |
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There has been always racism when it comes to Italiano's and because we all feel that our group is the better group, I feel that this has been
going on for some time not long ago, this happened to when my little sister aka friend was murdered down by gernsie farm. and shoved
like a piece of cold meat on a hook, they shuved her away. did she deserve this no. because she was napoloitano. i feel that this still goes on teoday and it may not be right but we need to all stick together and make it our town we founded it first. no one else. and although i do not live there anymore
we need to tell everyone if you want to fight go someplace else. we need this community this is our homeland. we came here as peasants to find a
dream and it was my parents who then opened up the italian bakery under the EL on Liberty Avenue and then took it to brooklyn becuase of what they did
to my friend my mother got scared took our livilyhood out of the area.
Thats nice? No |
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Noticed a story on YAHOO's front page today that Dearborn Muslims fear a backlash after the Fort Hood massacre and then saw an item on the HB web site front page that Fat Al held another 'vigil' for Sean Bell, amazing that none of his brandstanding spectacles make front page news and the venomous accusations that he and his followers regularly hurl against police officers et al are never labeled as backlashes. |
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If you feel racism still exists, don't look in Howard Beach. Go to Harlem, Jamaica, Bushwick, Corona, East New York, the Bronx, or any other place non-Whites dominate. Every other word out of their mouths is "honky", "White boy", "Rape that White girl", etc. White racism no longer exists, it hasn't for years. The only racism alive in this country is Black racism. |
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There was an excellent article by Larry Elder today in which he addresses the issue of how marginal organizations such as the NAACP attempt to keep the issue of racism alive for the own benefit, in it he had a quote - "In 1911, Booker T. Washington said: "There is (a) class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays."
I immediately thought of Al Sharpton's ongoing campaign against Howard Beach. |
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